#2 OpenClaw & The Rick Rubin Connection
with Ian Rogers @iancr
Seth recaps ClawCon (1000 RSVPs, line around the block), Ian shares the Rick Rubin vibe coding origin story, and together they unpack why OpenClaw has captured the zeitgeist. Plus: Ian's 2am security scare and a practical guide to getting started safely.
About the Guest
CXO of Ledger. He interviewed Rick Rubin on Tetragrammaton about "The Way of Code." Texts with Rick daily about vibe coding. Indiana → Winamp → Beats → LVMH → Ledger.
Show Notes
Seth reports from ClawCon in San Francisco — 1000 RSVPs, a line around the block, lobster tails on heads, and Ashton Kutcher hiding under a hat. Meanwhile, Anthropic just dropped Claude 4.6.
**Ian's Origin Story (Speed Run)**: Indiana kid with computers at 8, skateboard punk at 14, CS degree at IU, showed the Beastie Boys the internet backstage at Lollapalooza in 1994. Then: Winamp (30M users, 10% of the internet), Yahoo Music, Topspin, Beats Music with Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre, Apple Music, LVMH as Chief Digital Officer, and now Ledger.
**The Rick Rubin Story**: Ian texted Rick from a Hong Kong coffee shop asking if he knew he was the meme for vibe coding. Rick wrote back: "Not really, but I think I'm the meme for it." Then Rick dropped everything to write "The Way of Code" based on the Tao. Rick texts Ian every day about vibe coding. Ian: "I think there will be a day in the future when Rick doesn't text me every day about vibe coding, and I will be very sad."
**Why OpenClaw Captured the Zeitgeist**: It's both useful AND scary. It commoditized and disintermediated the big models. You can delegate tasks to AI now — not just ask questions. Ian's example: someone texted him a bug report, he pasted it into OpenClaw, and 10 minutes later the fix was pushed live while he was in another meeting.
**The Security Reality**: Ian installed OpenClaw on a train, connected WhatsApp and email, went to bed, then woke up at 2am and typed `rm -rf claude`. "I know enough about security to be freaked out by it."
**The Thesis**: "You can't have digital abundance without digital scarcity." Cryptographic proof becomes essential when agents can act on your behalf.
**Practical Setup (Minimum Viable Safe)**: - Use a separate machine (old laptop, Android phone, or VPS) - Hostinger has Claude code machines for ~$10/mo - Start with Telegram or Signal (not your main WhatsApp/email) - Tell it who to be: "You are my assistant. Be professional. I care about privacy." - Avoid installing random things from ClawHub - "Living in the future is cheating" — try it to see what's coming
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